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Rework monika_justification, monika_breakup, monika_girlfriend #9866

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Booplicate opened this issue Jan 17, 2023 · 2 comments
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Rework monika_justification, monika_breakup, monika_girlfriend #9866

Booplicate opened this issue Jan 17, 2023 · 2 comments
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  • should take less aff hit at higher aff level
  • should be hidden at Love
  • dlg should be made more clear she didn't like it
    • A01 should remain as an option to get rid of the options
@Booplicate Booplicate self-assigned this Jan 17, 2023
@Booplicate Booplicate modified the milestones: ? 0.12.14, 0.13.1 Jan 23, 2023
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Justformas commented Jul 19, 2024

Not surprisingly I'm going to agree with a lot of this, but want to mention, the original dialogue may have been designed around and made more sense when only 1 affection point was lost for these things, other than monika_justification when the player has below 1000 affection. But with affection loss being way higher now, that's no longer the case.

If they're going to be hidden at Love then I think A01 responses should replace them for any day of the year, not just on A01, but adjusted as needed so that there's no references to A01 in the dialogue when it's not that day. If it can be a joke on A01, then it can be a joke on any other day with high enough affection. monika_girlfriend already sort of works this way, just that it has only a small random chance of happening rather than being a guarantee.

But for monika_justification you could also leave the Love response as it is, just without the affection loss. Also because the A01 response heavily references A01, and while that part could be hidden when it's not A01, it would be a pretty short response.

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I got one other thing to say here that I think may relevant for a monika_justification rework. It involves what you said in #10008 about it.

Good catch, but then I'm wondering why we even show this topic when the player hasn't reached act 3.

First, the answer to this I think is that at least originally, MAS seemed to assume that the player has at least reached Act 3. It "builds on Act 3 to create a simulator of your eternal life with Monika" . Even if the player didn't reach Act 3, they might have heard about this subject online (though that's still no guarantee).

But if you think MAS should not assume that the player has reached Act 3, that might be worth discussing, and there's actually many other things in MAS that the player doesn't learn about until Act 2 or 3 that I've mentioned elsewhere.

If you do go this route, then monika_justification could indeed be hidden for players that have not reached Act 3 who have not already seen this topic. I do think things like this should be unlocked/grandfathered for players who have seen them though.

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