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Align definitions for cloud drop effective radius (table 1-01-01) #553

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amilan17 opened this issue Aug 27, 2024 · 8 comments
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Align definitions for cloud drop effective radius (table 1-01-01) #553

amilan17 opened this issue Aug 27, 2024 · 8 comments
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amilan17 commented Aug 27, 2024

Initial request

The OSCAR/Requirement for Cloud drop effective radius was updated in summer of 2024. The purpose of this issue is to align the definition with the equivalent WIGOS Metadata code.

  • The definition in OSCAR/Requirements is: Ratio of integral of water droplets size distribution in volume divided by integral in area.
  • The definition in the Codes Registry is: The area weighted mean radius of liquid water drops, assimilated to spheres of the same volume.
  • The OLD definition the Codes Registry was amended in 2021: Size distribution of liquid water drops, assimilated to spheres of the same volume. Considered as both a 3D field throughout the troposphere and a 2D field at the top of cloud surface.

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GCOS, OSCAR Requirements, @kpremec

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  • OSCAR/Surface
  • OSCAR/requirements
  • Radar/DB
  • OceanOPS
  • WHOS
  • WDQMS
  • GBON Compliance Monitor
  • Other

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None

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Manual on Codes (WMO-No. 306), Volume I.3, WMO Codes Registry - WMDR

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Both OSCAR/Requirements and WMDR code recognize cloud drop as liquid cloud drop. The OSCAR definition can be interpreted as the ratio of integrated volume over surface area, which is incorrect. The current WDMR code definition is correct. Recommend to adopt the WMDR code definition.

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https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/Meeting.2024.11.21 notes:
@kpremec it is recommended to update the OSCAR/Requirements to reflect the definition that was approved through the fast-track procedure in 2021. "The area weighted mean radius of liquid water drops, assimilated to spheres of the same volume."

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https://github.com/wmo-im/tt-wigosmd/wiki/Meeting.2024.12.13 notes:
@amilan17 to coordinate feedback with GCOS

@amilan17 amilan17 removed this from the FT2025-1 milestone Jan 15, 2025
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not a fast-track amendment.

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amilan17 commented Jan 20, 2025

The change in OSCAR/Requirements was introduced by a joint proposal between GCOS/GAW.
@kpremec will bring this to the attention.

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not a fast-track amendment.

Why not?

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not a fast-track amendment.

Why not?

I recall we conclude to ask them just use the existing WMDR code and description.

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