Magic Apiary Texture Rework + Fix Research #32
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Fix broken localization on research pages
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Maybe a mixture is nice. (gui saty icons changed) The new icons much cleaner expain where they stand for
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Maybe a mixture is nice. (gui saty icons changed) The new icons much cleaner expain where they stand for
I'm strongly against any change in this specific case, Magic Bees has a very unique style of design, and any removal from that is a downright tragedy, the icons as they are fit perfectly into the style Magic Bees has portrayed within the entirety of itself, and if you've done the mod, you understand what the icons mean.
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But if he wants to put a proper side by side, he's free to do so, no PR that changes icons should be passed if they don't even at the very least do that
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sure lets hear more people on this
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besides are you telling me this
makes less sense than this:
They're both downright nonsensical, so it literally doesn't matter if they're "more readable" because they're both downright unreadable, a change just strips identity for 0 gain.
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Magic ain't technology no matter what some old sci-fi authors say. I say unique GUIs for the magical things is nice.
A gregtech style GUI should be for the beecompressor9000™ or some other technological disaster, not magic,
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The Magic Bees Apiary is a unique bit of thaumcraft, do not sully it by unifying textures when it is already so unique. This PR as a whole is a reflection of someone who doesn't understand the vibrant uniqueness that each thaum addon brings to the table that is design. Each texture, a kiss of specific style, a small impression of who the dev was, this is just sad. |
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I agree with alastor, there's no reason to change the icons. Maybe the background, but I don't really think that needs changing either. If the author wanted it to use 'Forestry's Bee House icons' (which I don't recall ever seeing BTW) they would have used them. |
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While you're at it, I'll pop in since the repo doesn't have any issues to actually start a discussion in and Alastor already did the same change between Gregapi and gregtech in https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/ThaumicHorizons/tree/gt6-gix, as mentioned in GTNewHorizons/ThaumicHorizons#46, a specific commit in magic bees, specifically d9ef30f crashes the modpack and using any version of magic bees alongside any version of gregtech outside of 5U causes a crash. At least in the case of thaumic horizons it was just a matter of enabling an external config which is disabled by default, in this case the mod just crashes with no option to do anything about it. and as it is, is impossible to play any version of magic bees past that commit. Oh also the new icons are cool and I personally think as an external observer that they should be changed 👍 |
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These review are charming if not for their touch of creative flair. As a talented programmer artist yourself I get the apprehension, but when it comes to user interfaces, the ultimate aim should be making them feel cohesive and user-friendly which the original could use some improvement. Anyways, you've asked for a comparison so here are the gifs (compression may slightly alter the colors). Old: New: Things have been slightly tweaked in my latest iteration which is not included here but is available on request. |
Ehhhhhhhhhh, not so much with Thaumcraft, the majority of Thaumcraft consistently and intentionally keeps the UI user-unfriendly and enigmatic for various reasons, and it's important to stay consistent with that design goal, though this system is one of the less enigmatic given that the Thaumonomicon directly lists out what each of them mean. Though I hardly believe a full rework of the GUI itself is tantamount to making it any more "user friendly" you could make the argument for the icons sure, but personally, I don't think there is enough value here to justify the utter destruction of the original GUI in totality. |
Given there's been no update to Magic Bees in over 3 years though, I hardly believe you speak for MysteriousAges. |
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Thanks for the rework, this second iteration looks much better imo. |
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I like the second iteration of the GUI. The icons seem slightly out of place for magic (at least the DNA one) |
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i like to see it with bees ingame. How the bees look like on nearly black backround? |
Sure, I can do that: |
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ok thanks for showing. I think the hexagons need to be more visible and also the slots. |
I reluctantly agree with the sentiment. It can be difficult to translate science elements such as genetic mutation into a magic theme. I originally aimed to infuse a touch of alchemy, inspired by Fullmetal Alchemist/The Witcher 3 but I soon realized that this was quite a tough task, not just design-wise with a limited 10-pixel width canvas, but also in making sure it's easy to understand and use for everyone. What you see is what I have settled on for lack of a better solution. |
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After hours of stringent and fervent debate, we have now updated our dev Code of Conduct, and thusly, I push forth that this PR breaks GTNH CoC 7-1 given how this proposal would shift the identity significantly too far away from the unique feel intended by magic within the pack, likewise, the alternative modification proposed in #meta-dev can be handled by GTNH CoC 7-4
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I covered your valid concern.
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@Alastors If you've already altered the rules to predetermine the outcome of this PR, there's no need for further opinions. |
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Kinda defeats the whole point of having a discussion if ya can simply edit the rules to what can be done and can't be done mid-discussion, doesn't it? But then again I'm just here to point the issue with magic bees crashing with gt6 anyway :^) |
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@DrParadox7 New UI looks nice. But what about to recolor/tint light grey part of new UI to make it more unique? (with color of Greatwood/Arcane stone/Thaumium) |
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This still looks like a GT machine to me - not really what I'd want, but I've not done bees or magic this far. |
The new ruling came after tireless debate for 2 days straight, that's literally the point of having rules, make rules when new issues come up. |
This is the entire issue, it defaces Magic's identity for no real reason |
There were also concern in those debates (not even mostly by me) that the icons look too "techy" compared to what the original looked like |
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what do we do with this PR? |
It was rejected, and the CoC was changed to reflect it |
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We discuss it after stable |
https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GTNH-Dev-Doc/blob/master/developer's%20code%20of%20conduct.md Dream, respectfully we wasted too long on and off discussing this exact topic, please do not waste developer time further on such tripe like this. However, I will remind you of our policies regarding this topic now: Code of ConductSubsection 3: Content Creation
I cannot stress this further, please do not waste any more of our time on meaningless debate on aesthetic taste, it gets incredibly argumentative, chaotic, downright rude, and quite frankly it's bad for developer moral on the pack. This has already been settled, we need to leave it in the past where it belongs. Besides, even out of all the debate, no one actually cared for this specific UI, the most anyone actually cared about were the Icons or the rare desire to split the original UI instead. |
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Stating this as a violation of the CoC makes no sense, the mod contains 3 GUIs, 2 of which are vanilla esque, see https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/MagicBees/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/magicbees/textures/gui/jarScreen.png and https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/MagicBees/blob/master/src/main/resources/assets/magicbees/textures/gui/ringScreen.png and the third is this strange shaded variant. So arguably this PR actually brings it fully in line with the CoC by giving the same shading to all GUIs? |
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The color of the new GUI definitely feels too much like a GT/Vanilla one. I say we keep the old color of the gui, but apply that to all of Magic Bee's guis |
The bee ring and jar one are intentionally clones of each other, also the bee ring is not exactly in optimal shape, frankly I'm not sure if it actually has a recipe but using them as an example of two separate GUIs is very deceptive |
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The only problem I see here is that a DNA icon doesn't really fit magic content. Other than that, I look at the screenshots and what I think is Forestry bees with a touch of flair and a starry background that makes me think of Astral Sorcery, which is a magic mod. It overall looks fine to me, and I didn't really see it as a GT GUI the moment I looked at it. |
@Steelux8 I agree. |
Less DNA more Inguz rune
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Made alterations to look less DNA-y and more runic (based on the Inguz rune shown above). |
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ongoing freeze - don't merge
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tbh, i like the three new texture, how about just keep everything else, only update the 3 pics. i like the brown background and purple linings. |
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It has been over 6 months and I am no longer interested in making further changes. I thank those who left some kind words and those that offered constructive criticism. The GUI definitely needs some clarity, just come up with your own original reimaginations without use of my work. |
Retextures Apiary GUI to the same style as Forestry's Bee Houses with enhanced clarity for icons:
Increased Production:
Decreased Lifespan:
Increased Mutation:
Also fixed Research langs not correctly localized.